Phase 3

[Loriorioreo]

Hello everyone....
Can anyone on phase three please give me an example of everything you eat in a day??  I seem to be having some difficulty keeping the weight off.
Kelly, I know you are doing great on phase 3...what do you eat on an average day?
Thanks!
Lori

[June Bride]

Lori,
  I'm starting phase 3 tomorrow.  Did anyone ever give you any ideas on what to eat?  I notice there's no reply here, but I know sometimes things get answered through personal messages or on other pages.  Just curious....
June Bride-Drea

[June Bride]

Anyone who has done phase 3.  Pretty please!!!
Hi All,
  I really want to know about this sugar thing.  Does this mean no man made sugar, but we can actually have organic sugar?  I make my own whipped topping, and it's only really good when I put some organic powdered sugar in it!  Also, what about organic ice cream and organic candy bars?  My fiance and I found the BEST brand ever.  They're called Green & Black's.  If you see their ice cream, buy it!!!  The texture is ridiculously smooth and creamy.  By far, the best ice cream we've ever had.  They also have a great selection of candy bars. 
  If anyone is interested, we've found the ice cream at Kroger, and the candy bars at Target, Kroger, and The Fresh Market.
  Please let me know what worked for you guys!
June Bride-Drea 

[kathy in California]

For the first three weeks from 3 days after your injections are over, no sugar of any kind may be used. Also no starch like bread, bananas, corn, potatoes or cooked carrots may be had!!! I didn't do very well with the bread part myself, but I'm so used to stevia that I had no problem with not having sugar. Sweet Leaf Stevia Plus comes in little packets and it seems just like powdered sugar. I sometimes sprinkle a packet on top of a branacrisp cracker with some cinnamon and feel like I'm having a dessert (during phase 2).

[willpower]

I am starting to think that phase 3 is like an extended some sort of Ph. 2.

Because, the "no starch" rule eliminates some veggies like plantains, corn, etc...
No "sugar" (if it is extended to ALL kinds sugar not only desserts) could even mean no dressing in the salads.

I think it is going to be reduced once again to: meat, greens, eggs, fruits, nuts and seeds.

Am I right?

[June Bride]

Guys,
  I have screwed up so bad.  First, I went to phase 3 on the third day after my last shot.  I think I'm understanding now that I should've waited until the 4th day after my last shot???  Second, dumb me thought that starches only meant breads, potatoes, and beans.
  So on my first day of phase 3, I ate a banana and some corn, among other things of course.  The next morning, which was today, I gained 1.6 lbs.  I've been trying to pump myself back up, because when I ended phase 2, I was 131.6, which put me within 2 lbs of my goal.  I didn't feel right doing a steak day, because I'm still within the 2 lbs, but now I think my weight this morning is actually my end weight.
  Why, oh why, didn't kt or dr. s give us a long list of starches like they listed everything else?
  I'm seriously considering doing a steak day on Sunday. 

[kathy in California]

Don't do a steak day unless you are more than 2 lbs up

[Lopaka]

I never heard of bananas and corn being off limits on phase 3.  I can understand the corn, but not bananas.  Do bananas have starch?  From what I understand, the only sugars you're allowed are from the fruits you eat.  Even peanut butter has sugar, unless you make your own at a health food store, or buy the ones without added sugar.  I just thought of this yesterday, because I really miss my peanut butter.

[kathy in California]

Yes, Bananas and peanut butter have starch in them. Bottom line is what the scale tells you though.

[Lopaka]

Kathy,

you mentioned cooked carrots.  I didn't know carrots were starchy.  Sweet, yes, but that wouldn't exceed fruit would it?  And, is there a difference between cooked and uncooked?

[kathy in California]

Raw carrots are full of fiber and that slows the sugar from reaching your bloodstream while you get all the benefits of the nutrients. Cooked carrots are very starchy, the cooking breaks down the fiber and brings out the starch. Also some of the nutrients diminish in cooking.

[Lopaka]

Please clarify a few things-

First, according to KT's book, we are to monitor our weight to stay (and I quote) "within 2 Ibs. from the last day of injection."  I take this to mean our weight on the following morning of hcg.  He also said to stay on the vlcd 2 days after the last day of injection.  Not 3, unless some of you meant to include the vlcd day of the injection, since we inject in the early morning. 

Having said that, since we are to stay on the vlcd for 2 more days after hcg, aren't we expected to lose more weight from the last injection day?  If  so, then the margin for gain during phase 3 can be more than 2 Ibs. before we do a steak day.  For example, if I weighed 160 Ibs. the following morning after my last injection, but weigh 158Ibs. at the end of the vlcd, then I shouldn't have to worry unless my weight goes up to 162 Ibs. (4 Ib. margin) before doing a steak day.  Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Second, KT specifically mentions not eating the "known" starch and sugar foods, i.e. bread, rice, pasta, potatoes, yams.  But never mentioned any vegetable or fruit that may contain natural starch or sugar in them.  I mean, the apples, grapefruits and strawberries we ate all have sugar too, but it's required under the protocol.

I'm not trying to be argumentative, but it seems like some of us have taken the protocol a step further, which I'm sure brings great results, but I'd like to know what was intended by both Simeons and KT in hopes of easing some suffering during phase 3 and not have to go through some unnecessary deprivation.

I guess a follow up question would be to survey what the results were of people who did eat bananas, corn, peanuts, etc, that have some measure of starch in them during phase 3.

Thanx.

[kathy in California]

I think you are correct about the last injection weight being the weight we go by and that it does give us a little bit larger margin.

Regarding the starches, I thought it was pretty well known that bananas and cooked carrots are starchy. Cooked carrots have always been well publicized as being just as starchy as yams. Natural sugars in fruits and veggies, like berries, melons and tomatoes, I agree, we don't need to and shouldn't have to worry about. Also the carbs and sugar in milks and cheese are naturally occuring and in moderation don't seem to have any detrimental effect.

If you make a wrong choice, it will show on the scale --at least it did for me. Someday I'll talk about the crisis of eating half a bag of cashews...!!! I have completed two maintenence phases by now; I seem to be wavering between 4-6 lbs. above my last injection weight.  Everyone is different in what works for them. Each of us can only report what their individual findings are. Hopefully we all have read and re-read KT and Simeons' plans and then we combine what we learned with our knowledge of the nutritional content of food. Lopaka, you have been successful---congrats. Please keep sharing your findings.